I don't think this game is for me. I refuse to hypnotise people / act like a total evil douche-bag in this game, so I suppose that means I won't really get anywhere.
Played for about 2 hours, only used the Control power on Pixie ('cause the game forced me to). Had absolutely -zero- interest in forcing anyone to do anything else
Reasonable, though I will say a lot of the hypno stuff can be taken as awakening the ladies internal desire to make it seem less bad. Still get you though
There's only a couple people that the game forces you to use your powers on to progress and zero points at which you're forced to be evil (I have gotten more than a few bad reviews from people complaining that the game doesn't let you be evil enough).
So you never know, you may still enjoy it, but if not then there are hundreds of truly excellent indie h-games out there and I'm sure you'll find something that's a better fit :)
Ehem ist there any NTR in this game, I know it sounds crazy but I like NTR genre and did you guys have a recommendation game that have NTR( sorry for bad English)
CK has Netori (where you steal other people's girls) but it does not have, and never will have, Netorare (where someone else steals your girls). So it depends on which NTR you're talking about :)
I had a thought I wanted to run by you. So I took control over the Forest and recruited Maven (because I'm a saint who sees the good in everyone no matter how much they deserve to die 😇😇).
But because I'm a curious fellow, I wanted to see what happens when I executed her, so I did.
It was satisfying, but I then a thought occured to me. Would it be possible for you to add some dialogue (even scenes) of said antagonist, boss or goon begging the MC for their lives 🤔?
Something along the lines of, for example:
X Bad Guy/Girl: NO PLEASE MC, I BEG YOU! SPARE ME! I'LL JOIN YOUR SIDE I SWEAR! 😨😩
MC:(Pulls a DooM Slayer) No. 😠
(Sounds of screaming and bloody execution)
... Yeah that's dark now that I typed it out, but that's basically the gist of it. Would be satisfying in a way for those particular bad guys/girls who REALLY deserve it, or just get on my nerves. 😁😅 So that's the idea.
Also, I GOT MEH' KIDS BACK, AND I'MA HAPPY CHAPPIE! 😁😁
As for your idea, the problem is - as with so many ideas - that I am but a mere solo dev, and the more content I add to a particular character or mechanic, the less time I have to develop content in other areas. So everything becomes this balancing act, where I have to decide whether or not the loss of content in other areas is worth the increased content in this specific area.
In this case, adding a custom death scene for every single character you can execute would require exponentially more work as time went on and since very few people ever pick the execute option it would be a lot of work in return for almost nobody ever seeing it.
Finally, I don't actually reward players for executing people in CK. For a bunch of reasons, really: first is that the MC hasn't been portrayed as a killer throughout his interactions in the first two acts and suddenly having him get stab-happy is a little odd. Second is because tactically it's just a terrible idea. And third, because I don't really want to turn CK into a blood-spattered tale of murder and visceral vengeance - for all the dark events that occur, CK is at its heart quite earnest, a little goofy and contains as many wholesome moments as horny ones.
So, as much as I'd love to fill every possible interaction with depth and variation, it's sadly not possible - and in this case, even if it was, I likely wouldn't do it because of issues of tone and consistency.
But I do appreciate the feedback and the suggestion!
Every point you made is completely understandable and agreeable. You are a one-man army after all, there's only so much you can do. 😅 And yeah, not everyone wants to intentionally be a bad guy, so those options would be usually bypassed.
Going back to the third point you made (because I love storytelling elements); as much as a certain someone would deserve to die, that feeling of satisfaction is then left with.... emptiness. What I mean by that is after I executed Maven, the forest area felt... Empty. Dead. Lonely. Sad. I didn't like that feeling at all. It was like you the Dev saying:
"You got what your thirst for blood sated. Was it worth it?"
So yeah, I hear you perfectly well The Arc.
And thanks for taking the time to dissect why, as plausible of an idea it is, it really wouldn't work in this case. Awesome stuff 😁👌🏾
And where can I post fanart? I've been wanting to draw some for a while now😎
I'm always happy to talk to players and explain my reasoning behind things (it accounts for about 70% of every livestream I do...) :)
As for the fanart, I'd love to see it! As Chris says, if you post it in the #i-made-this channel on the CK Discord (and ping me so I see it!) I'll even add it to the fanart gallery in-game, with your permission and links to any portfolio you may have.
I'm playing 20.2 , have all stats at level 8, have gotten into Act 3 , have access to the "Shopkeep", and have retaken all districts/areas that I can. Seems that there is nothing else to do.
However...I check various comments/walkthroughs etc on the web, and wonder:
I have yet to see the "Hillside" district, "Northside" district, "Riverview Apartments" district
I have no access to "Construction Yard", "Rehab Centre", "Training Ground", "The Clearing"
There are no further actions for retaking "Train Station" district, "Company" district
I can visit all locations in the "Outskirts", (except fpr "Morgana") but only the "Farm" and "Forest" allow me to do anything.
What am I missing here? Or has the above content gone into hiding with the current version? Any enlightenment would be appreciated!
i lost my game file when i changed computers can i skip content to get back to where i was or a cheat code i was really far ahead and dont wanna redo all over again
There are waaaaaaay too many variables to build a "skip to X" function in, I'm afraid. However, if you head to the CK Discord there's a "start of Act Three" save pinned in #game-chat and if you want something more specific you can ask in #game-help and people will be happy to share their saves with you :)
Either download the update from the links above and extract/install the same way as you did the first time, or else get the Itch Launcher which will patch the game for you (be aware! Sometimes this deletes manual saves!)
Either way, the save files will be automatically detected by the latest version :)
When I saw Madison and Veronica in act 3 I realized that there was a time where I would be craving for naughty scenes of them to be released, but now? All I want is to tell them the children are alright
YES! That was frustrating... to not be able to tell the mothers that the kids were still safe... some kind of comfort for the last three months of uncertainty, fear, and loss.
This is incredibly impressive, the amount of mechanics and just extra things going on, scenes with non main characters, one off's, and random encounters this just goes to show how much potential and creativity this community has. And if this is really not even complete I can't wait to see what the full vision is. Can't afford to stay subbed to the patreon forever, but I got one month of the LVL 3 tier and I don't at all regret supporting. Look forward to the future updates, and hopefully some day the full release!
Hey, thanks for the kind words and the support - I very much appreciate both! :) Solo devs like myself live and die as much on positive reinforcement as financial support so it really does make a difference, believe me!
I like this game a lot the storyline is compelling and makes you want come back for more and I am wondering if there's going to be a Halloween update soon??
Hey, thanks for the kind words and I'm glad you're enjoying the game! :)
No Halloween update, as what with the recent changes and me being on my break for this past week I just didn't have the time, unfortunately, to do any spoopy events. I have something planned for Christmas, though!
Android version doesn't have a problem - your phone has a problem :) This could be anything from incompatible hardware to corrupted drivers, but the most common reason is not enough storage space. Trying freeing up at least 6GB and reinstalling.
the game is amazing, it got a good story that makes me actually want to learn more. it got good features. its simply a good game, i hope we see more of Qarinah tough.
I want to commend this game. It could have easily been an icky feeling adventure with hypnotizing people to do your dirty bidding, but there's actually a captivating mystery going on
I'm glad you like it! :) Yeah, I wanted to try and avoid the "ickiness" that often comes with mind control - MC's not a good person by any stretch of the imagination but he's hopefully not a creep either :P
One of the things I really appreciate as a woman is you never honestly force a sexual experience, yes one can happen that takes me out of the moment (like removing Chloe's free will) but it's kind of you to allow us to use control or the upgraded version to ask them what we need and move on.
I think there's two or three sexual situations that you can't avoid in the game, but a number of people have requested a "Virgin Run" option, so at some point I'll be re-writing those scenes to allow you to avoid them too :)
I need to meet a character named Sally at the PTA meeting and unlock the company area, but I don't know what I should do. Can someone give me some information about this?
When are you going to add the act 3 scenes to the gallery?
Also, the character cards don't give me any hints at all in act 3, I've been having to go in an read each of the updates to find out what is available.
Is it possible to somehow limit “pixie’s movement across the screen” while communicating with her? This is not very convenient, I mean her disappearance from the screen and subsequent return… What do you think?
Rehab probably never, as there's no reason for it to exist in the new Combat System. Dungeon will return when I can think of a good use for it that doesn't also result in another five years of work being added to my plate :P
i hope in next update veronica and madison have new fun in the school (the war version) or maybe the next act 4 is coming ,and if something happened to them I'M GONNA HUNT YOU FIRST, Arc :)
Not in the next update, but soon! :) Madison and Veronica have a lot of content coming, so it's only fair that other characters get to have some events of their own first.
glad to hear that's , and yeah i have so much fun with your game and i like it so much , this the second time i play again after the mini game battle not coming out yet , and now thats does have it 🗿🛐 , thanks you for the awesome game Arc
oh ya Arc , i know thats mc mother is not dead yet 🧐 , but tell me if there his mom will have sex scane with his son soon or have any scane with her? I wanted to meet her , and about that's rat Tom , can i kill thats dude?? 🗿😪
At the moment my focus is on creating new content, and I advise everyone to keep a spare save in Act Two so they can replay the repeatable non-Gallery content. But it's definitely on my to-do list, and once all the important stuff is in I'll beginning adding the Act Two repeatable scenes to the Gallery! :)
I just checked on two different machines and the download is working correctly. Do not ask for repacks of the game - you are opening yourself up to potential viral infections.
If the download link continues to not work for you, try downloading from alternate official sources such as Patreon and Subscribestar.
Not sure why you got downvoted because it's a perfectly valid question. Drendy covered how to upgrade your dice, but also remember to make sure of the "Personal Meals" that Hana offers in the Manor kitchen :)
Came for the porn (no pun intended) but stayed for the story. idk why but this game rlly gripped me but I will say one thing if ANYTHING happens to my kids I will come after you Arc :)
Whenever I press start on the main menu it goes black then crashes. It happened to me a couple of updates ago and people said it got fixed in the next one but still I got nothing. I'm on android btw
Could be that your phone needs a full reset (power down, don't just restart), or that you don't have the correct graphics drivers/codecs installed, or that you don't have enough storage space available to run it, or that your hardware is simply incompatible with Ren'py games (which is sadly a possibility).
Your phone should keep all your drivers up to date automatically, provided you're actually updating your software when it tells you to (many people don't, which is a huge mistake) :)
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I don't think this game is for me.
I refuse to hypnotise people / act like a total evil douche-bag in this game, so I suppose that means I won't really get anywhere.
Played for about 2 hours, only used the Control power on Pixie ('cause the game forced me to). Had absolutely -zero- interest in forcing anyone to do anything else
Just play it a little far and you will see if you not "control power" to pixie, she will be Morgana toy
Reasonable, though I will say a lot of the hypno stuff can be taken as awakening the ladies internal desire to make it seem less bad. Still get you though
There's only a couple people that the game forces you to use your powers on to progress and zero points at which you're forced to be evil (I have gotten more than a few bad reviews from people complaining that the game doesn't let you be evil enough).
So you never know, you may still enjoy it, but if not then there are hundreds of truly excellent indie h-games out there and I'm sure you'll find something that's a better fit :)
is this all i can do right now? When i check lyx, it say i need to wait for act 3,but how do i trigger it? Please help
thats as far as you can go in the current update, the lyx thing is always there, theres no event yet.
Ah okay, thank you
Ehem ist there any NTR in this game, I know it sounds crazy but I like NTR genre and did you guys have a recommendation game that have NTR( sorry for bad English)
No, and there won’t be, it kinda goes against the core of the game to have chicks stolen from you.
You are “Mr. Stealyogirl” a few times, but never the other way around.
CK has Netori (where you steal other people's girls) but it does not have, and never will have, Netorare (where someone else steals your girls). So it depends on which NTR you're talking about :)
¿Algún día tienen planeado agregar una traducción al español? Sería bastante bueno
Sí, habrá traducciones oficiales una vez que el juego esté casi terminado :)
To this day, I'm still loving the game 😎😎
I had a thought I wanted to run by you. So I took control over the Forest and recruited Maven (because I'm a saint who sees the good in everyone no matter how much they deserve to die 😇😇).
But because I'm a curious fellow, I wanted to see what happens when I executed her, so I did.
It was satisfying, but I then a thought occured to me. Would it be possible for you to add some dialogue (even scenes) of said antagonist, boss or goon begging the MC for their lives 🤔?
Something along the lines of, for example:
X Bad Guy/Girl: NO PLEASE MC, I BEG YOU! SPARE ME! I'LL JOIN YOUR SIDE I SWEAR! 😨😩
MC: (Pulls a DooM Slayer) No. 😠
(Sounds of screaming and bloody execution)
... Yeah that's dark now that I typed it out, but that's basically the gist of it. Would be satisfying in a way for those particular bad guys/girls who REALLY deserve it, or just get on my nerves. 😁😅 So that's the idea.
Also, I GOT MEH' KIDS BACK, AND I'MA HAPPY CHAPPIE! 😁😁
I'm glad you're still enjoying CK :)
As for your idea, the problem is - as with so many ideas - that I am but a mere solo dev, and the more content I add to a particular character or mechanic, the less time I have to develop content in other areas. So everything becomes this balancing act, where I have to decide whether or not the loss of content in other areas is worth the increased content in this specific area.
In this case, adding a custom death scene for every single character you can execute would require exponentially more work as time went on and since very few people ever pick the execute option it would be a lot of work in return for almost nobody ever seeing it.
Finally, I don't actually reward players for executing people in CK. For a bunch of reasons, really: first is that the MC hasn't been portrayed as a killer throughout his interactions in the first two acts and suddenly having him get stab-happy is a little odd. Second is because tactically it's just a terrible idea. And third, because I don't really want to turn CK into a blood-spattered tale of murder and visceral vengeance - for all the dark events that occur, CK is at its heart quite earnest, a little goofy and contains as many wholesome moments as horny ones.
So, as much as I'd love to fill every possible interaction with depth and variation, it's sadly not possible - and in this case, even if it was, I likely wouldn't do it because of issues of tone and consistency.
But I do appreciate the feedback and the suggestion!
Every point you made is completely understandable and agreeable. You are a one-man army after all, there's only so much you can do. 😅 And yeah, not everyone wants to intentionally be a bad guy, so those options would be usually bypassed.
Going back to the third point you made (because I love storytelling elements); as much as a certain someone would deserve to die, that feeling of satisfaction is then left with.... emptiness. What I mean by that is after I executed Maven, the forest area felt... Empty. Dead. Lonely. Sad. I didn't like that feeling at all. It was like you the Dev saying:
"You got what your thirst for blood sated. Was it worth it?"
So yeah, I hear you perfectly well The Arc.
And thanks for taking the time to dissect why, as plausible of an idea it is, it really wouldn't work in this case. Awesome stuff 😁👌🏾
And where can I post fanart? I've been wanting to draw some for a while now😎
Deviantart and/or Reddit
Regarding the fanart, I’d suggest joining the discord server, there’s a channel for that.
And if you’re agreeable, it might get added to the Extras section in the main menu.
I'm always happy to talk to players and explain my reasoning behind things (it accounts for about 70% of every livestream I do...) :)
As for the fanart, I'd love to see it! As Chris says, if you post it in the #i-made-this channel on the CK Discord (and ping me so I see it!) I'll even add it to the fanart gallery in-game, with your permission and links to any portfolio you may have.
This game is addicting. Very good job, Arcadean!
I'm playing 20.2 , have all stats at level 8, have gotten into Act 3 , have access to the "Shopkeep", and have retaken all districts/areas that I can. Seems that there is nothing else to do.
However...I check various comments/walkthroughs etc on the web, and wonder:
What am I missing here? Or has the above content gone into hiding with the current version? Any enlightenment would be appreciated!
No need to worry about the first two points. That is scrapped content.
The combat system used to be different, more complex and it had a lot of unneeded filler.
And yes, there’s not much more than you can do aside from the 6 districts on the west of town and the forest in the outskirts.
Game’s work in progress, single developer, things move a bit slow I’m afraid.
Which is one of the reasons why the overcomplicated combat system had to go.
Thanks. I suspected as much. What Arcadean has done up to this point is impressive.
没有支付宝和微信的支付方式吗？
你必须向 Itch.io 询问这个问题。我不控制付款方式。对不起！
Update is tomorrow
For supporters, yes.
Next week it goes public.
This is incredible, thank you so much for creating it!
Thank you so much for playing it and commenting! :)
i lost my game file when i changed computers can i skip content to get back to where i was or a cheat code i was really far ahead and dont wanna redo all over again
There are waaaaaaay too many variables to build a "skip to X" function in, I'm afraid. However, if you head to the CK Discord there's a "start of Act Three" save pinned in #game-chat and if you want something more specific you can ask in #game-help and people will be happy to share their saves with you :)
If the game updates, how can I update it?
Either download the update from the links above and extract/install the same way as you did the first time, or else get the Itch Launcher which will patch the game for you (be aware! Sometimes this deletes manual saves!)
Either way, the save files will be automatically detected by the latest version :)
thanks manz
oh and btw, after updating can I delete the older file
[ SPOILERS FOR ACT 3 ]
When I saw Madison and Veronica in act 3 I realized that there was a time where I would be craving for naughty scenes of them to be released, but now? All I want is to tell them the children are alright
YES! That was frustrating... to not be able to tell the mothers that the kids were still safe... some kind of comfort for the last three months of uncertainty, fear, and loss.
Coming very soon :)
how do i increase Jessica's progress? im stuck
do the organization lead
Check the Heart Menu (top right with the top nav bar visible) and read the "HINT:" section at the bottom right of her card :)
Thxs but how do i learn more about the organization? im not sure where to start
This is incredibly impressive, the amount of mechanics and just extra things going on, scenes with non main characters, one off's, and random encounters this just goes to show how much potential and creativity this community has. And if this is really not even complete I can't wait to see what the full vision is. Can't afford to stay subbed to the patreon forever, but I got one month of the LVL 3 tier and I don't at all regret supporting. Look forward to the future updates, and hopefully some day the full release!
Hey, thanks for the kind words and the support - I very much appreciate both! :) Solo devs like myself live and die as much on positive reinforcement as financial support so it really does make a difference, believe me!
I like this game a lot the storyline is compelling and makes you want come back for more and I am wondering if there's going to be a Halloween update soon??
Hey, thanks for the kind words and I'm glad you're enjoying the game! :)
No Halloween update, as what with the recent changes and me being on my break for this past week I just didn't have the time, unfortunately, to do any spoopy events. I have something planned for Christmas, though!
Last version I played was 0.17.7, wonder how much content there has been since then. Time to find out
Android version is have a problem And here the poroff
Android version doesn't have a problem - your phone has a problem :) This could be anything from incompatible hardware to corrupted drivers, but the most common reason is not enough storage space. Trying freeing up at least 6GB and reinstalling.
Ohh thank you
the game is amazing, it got a good story that makes me actually want to learn more. it got good features. its simply a good game, i hope we see more of Qarinah tough.
Hey, thanks for the kind words and I'm glad you're enjoying it! :)
More Qarinah is definitely on the way; her story's not yet done!
I want to commend this game. It could have easily been an icky feeling adventure with hypnotizing people to do your dirty bidding, but there's actually a captivating mystery going on
I'm glad you like it! :) Yeah, I wanted to try and avoid the "ickiness" that often comes with mind control - MC's not a good person by any stretch of the imagination but he's hopefully not a creep either :P
One of the things I really appreciate as a woman is you never honestly force a sexual experience, yes one can happen that takes me out of the moment (like removing Chloe's free will) but it's kind of you to allow us to use control or the upgraded version to ask them what we need and move on.
I think there's two or three sexual situations that you can't avoid in the game, but a number of people have requested a "Virgin Run" option, so at some point I'll be re-writing those scenes to allow you to avoid them too :)
I need to meet a character named Sally at the PTA meeting and unlock the company area, but I don't know what I should do. Can someone give me some information about this?
Just go find madison , there is option say 3 powerfull girl something , i quite remember what it is
Hmm nope I don't think so there is no scane with that "Quiet Girl" let's hope for next update if we can have fun with her , imma right Arc? 🗿
Not in the next update, but fairly soon you'll be able to interact with her again and uncover her mystery, yes :)
is it just end up with being interact with annie about kanna in this 20.2 version or there is more?
That’s it.
If it doesn’t say there’s content on the changelog, then there’s no content.
why my dice always triangle one and not the square one when fighting maven?
Well, the battle was a surprise attack so you didn’t have time to get reinforcements.
But you probably should’ve gotten the upgrades from Shopkeep.
You meet him after trying to cross the bridge after conquering it.
thx so much man
When are you going to add the act 3 scenes to the gallery?
Also, the character cards don't give me any hints at all in act 3, I've been having to go in an read each of the updates to find out what is available.
Not soon, it’s not a priority.
Yeah, that’s how it is, the game doesn’t tell you everything.
The card hints get updated when you progress the girl’s love level. Which you haven’t yet, you’ve just gone and met them after the 3 months.
How to lower the knowledge loss?
Veronica gives you teaching advice, and there was a potted crystal sold by the field merchant.
Also consider getting the education boosting upgrades. Book in the library, the property upgrade in Jessica’s office and Madison’s teaching advice.
And for the record, don’t use powers or the lesson won’t be worth anything.
thanks for the advice!
Im confused, where do i type the key codes thing??
In the Nexus, bottom-left where it says "Use Keys" :)
Does anyone have a 100% android save at the start of act three that I could download
There's one pinned in the #game-chat channel on the CK Discord :)
I'm also interested in this question
Is it possible to somehow limit “pixie’s movement across the screen” while communicating with her? This is not very convenient, I mean her disappearance from the screen and subsequent return… What do you think?
When is Dungeon and Rehab being added again?
Rehab probably never, as there's no reason for it to exist in the new Combat System. Dungeon will return when I can think of a good use for it that doesn't also result in another five years of work being added to my plate :P
i hope in next update veronica and madison have new fun in the school (the war version) or maybe the next act 4 is coming ,and if something happened to them I'M GONNA HUNT YOU FIRST, Arc :)
Not in the next update, but soon! :) Madison and Veronica have a lot of content coming, so it's only fair that other characters get to have some events of their own first.
glad to hear that's , and yeah i have so much fun with your game and i like it so much , this the second time i play again after the mini game battle not coming out yet , and now thats does have it 🗿🛐 , thanks you for the awesome game Arc
oh ya Arc , i know thats mc mother is not dead yet 🧐 , but tell me if there his mom will have sex scane with his son soon or have any scane with her? I wanted to meet her , and about that's rat Tom , can i kill thats dude?? 🗿😪
Where can i donate mangoes 🥭 to brive you in return Hatsume sooner?
Leave them in a large, unmarked carton under the first bench on your right as you enter the closest park to your house. I'll find them...
is he free version the full game ore not
Game’s not finished yet.
The free version is the exact same as the supporter version, just that it releases one week after.
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I have never heard such a amazing menu music in my entire life. I didnt even begin the game yet tbh. xD
Why can't i talk to veronica to increase progress for madison?
I would assume because you've already done that and now you need to talk to Madison.
But when i talk to madison, it only shows the exit/ stop talking button and nothing els
Although this really isn't a rush, when will you update the gallery? I assume at the end of act 3?
At the moment my focus is on creating new content, and I advise everyone to keep a spare save in Act Two so they can replay the repeatable non-Gallery content. But it's definitely on my to-do list, and once all the important stuff is in I'll beginning adding the Act Two repeatable scenes to the Gallery! :)
I just checked on two different machines and the download is working correctly. Do not ask for repacks of the game - you are opening yourself up to potential viral infections.
If the download link continues to not work for you, try downloading from alternate official sources such as Patreon and Subscribestar.
Is there a way to level up our dice or generally make the boss fights easier without cheating?
capture the bridge location, scout it out at night, and you will gain access to something that will help you
Thank you.
Not sure why you got downvoted because it's a perfectly valid question. Drendy covered how to upgrade your dice, but also remember to make sure of the "Personal Meals" that Hana offers in the Manor kitchen :)
Yeah I have no clue either. I do already use the meals but thank you anyway!
Came for the porn (no pun intended) but stayed for the story. idk why but this game rlly gripped me but I will say one thing if ANYTHING happens to my kids I will come after you Arc :)
Well I hope you cleaned up after yourself after you decided to stay ;)
Thanks for the kind words, and I'm glad you're enjoying the game! The kids are totally safe, don't worry *coughs*fornow*coughs*
Whenever I press start on the main menu it goes black then crashes. It happened to me a couple of updates ago and people said it got fixed in the next one but still I got nothing. I'm on android btw
Could be that your phone needs a full reset (power down, don't just restart), or that you don't have the correct graphics drivers/codecs installed, or that you don't have enough storage space available to run it, or that your hardware is simply incompatible with Ren'py games (which is sadly a possibility).
What graphic driver would I need?
Your phone should keep all your drivers up to date automatically, provided you're actually updating your software when it tells you to (many people don't, which is a huge mistake) :)